any ideas ??
good luck n tightlines
darren / beastmaster
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hi dudes !!! been laid up abit this past week, and have been trying to do abit of research on what colours fish actually see !!
any ideas ?? good luck n tightlines darren / beastmaster
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littletinca |
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Red?
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01Karen10 |
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I may not be much help to ya Darren
HOWEVER - Matt Hayes swears by his RED coloured line stating it is invisable to fish..Hmmmmm So why do they eat Red maggot if they can't see the damn things?? I think fish don't judge food by colour but by shape.. ......Tiny wriggly things taste nice.....Long wiggly things taste nice....little tiny flat round things (bread Punch) taste nice, odd shapped squwishy things taste good!!?? Fish seem to eat all different coloured stuff in all different shapes and sizes, I have caught on Red maggot, Blue, green, yellow.... If I put 6 bits of food with it's own shape to it's own flavour, you would recognise after eating it for a good while what shape has what taste, but if I suddenly gave you a different shape bit of food you would'nt know what the hell it tastes like so you would be a bit apprehensive of what the hell it is yet alone if you can even eat it!! - This would probably explain why some waters do bettter on certain baits....Cos the fish maybe recognise that shaped bit of food tastes nice rather than the colour of it....... Just my views on it
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chavender |
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well where do i start , In eyes you have receptors some sense light - dark (cones=monochrome) and some detect colour (rods=hue) by the light reflected back off
the object (saturation / lumnance) .the monocromic receptors see things in shades of gray with is great for defnition and for seeing movement .
In humans we see a great spectrum of light and an infornate amount of colours in panoramic vission and only loosng colour perseption at the extremes boundries of our visual range (about 183 deg's l-r due to our forward facing eyes),fish however have very limited number of rods with which to detect colours with .Evolution has seen the fishes eyes to devellop into a specialist purpose (to look out for preditors! and food) so their eyes develloped into a split proportionate vission 20%ish for colour and around 75% monochromic and 5% for specialised vission (ultra violet/infor red) this veries between species.the colour receptors (rods) dellopped only in the focal point of vision (small area of forward visson)
the rest is made up of cones (b/w detectors) better for seeing those pesky pike creaping up on you or lurkng about ! .Fish have about278 deg's of field of vission (due to most havng eyes on either side of their face in both forward - back [binocular vision] And top & bottom [monocular vision] and so have great vision forwards and above and too the side but a blind spot too the rear
fish only see strong luminance colours in their forward binocular visual area . reds ,yellows ,orange etc but only the ones brightist saturation (strength of colours) all dull colours are just shades of gray .Whch is why camo gear is such a rip off .
steve
I try to be funny... but sometimes I merely look it
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barbusbruce |
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here is someting i found last year when this subject came up on another site:
there is research that suggest that fish are colour blind and they only see a small selection of the colour spectrum and they mostly see shades of gray,and their eye's are only capable of seeing short distances clearly after this everything becomes shades and the fish only perceive this as movement of dark item against a lighter background (silhouettes)the colours that they do see have a higher light refraction level like silvers ,golds,yellows and red in various hue's and situations other colours seem to be neutral and possibly appear as shades of gray colours like brown ,green and blues & purples ect,game fish Salmonidae (Salmonids) do however seem to have hightened vision and are able to distinguish more colours than their coarse counterparts now in nature the colour red normally signifies danger but with fish(and sharks)it stimulates feeding.after all it's the colour of blood and as fish are cannibalistic by nature it tends to get them going. camouflage therefore is useless as at most what fish will see through surface water is silhouettes against a lighter sky ect which is why fishing on a dull overcast day is better than days when it's bright and sunny and any shadows(pole)falling on the water will spook the fish and sky lining is detrimental to our sport. (sourced from an american site ,i've made it easier to understand by simplifing technicle gargon and correcting their yanky spellings) another view on fish seeing colours: Once upon a time some scientists believed that fish were colour blind. However modern research has shown that nearly all our coarse fish have excellent colour vision. However, it does differ from our own, and even differs from sea fish. For instance, our eyes can disriminate shades of green best, which isn't surprising when you consider we evolved in the treetops. Sea fish are most adapted to blue light, this being the colour that penetrates deepest in the ocean. Freshwater fish tend to live in shallow water that is often stained by suspended mud and rotting vegetation, the latter being coloured by yellowish-red pigments. Additionally this suspended matter scatters the light and creates a murky effect. Photographers have long known that a red filter will cut through such haze. As a result coarse fish tend to be more sensitive to colours towards the red end of the spectrum (i.e. the opposite to sea fish). This is especially marked in perch, which can see more into the infra-red than other species. Indeed, perch eyes contain a chemical called porphyropsin that absorbs further into the infra-red than any other known pigment. Additionally, the cornea of a perch's eye prevents any blue light from reaching the retina, and moreover they have no blue-sensitive cones here, only green and red ones. Note that perch may still be able to distinguish blue by the difference in stimulation on their green and red cones. This is similar to the human eye's ability to distinguish red, even though we have only yellow, green and blue-sensitive cones. Indeed, this is almost certain as perch have a blue patch under their chin, that often goes unnoticed by the angler, but presumably not by the perch. What does all this mean in practice? Well, firstly, perch see red very well. Whether they see red best in a given situation though depends on a number of other factors, including the background. However, I always make sure when maggot fishing for perch that I have some red ones as well as white. Additionally, I like my perch lures to have at least some red on them. It also means that perch see particular well in murky waters - contrary to what a lot of authors, including some modern ones, write! In fact, of our coarse fish only zander have better eyesight in these conditions. This gives perch a big advantage in dim light over their poorer-sighted prey, especially in the reddened light of dawn and dusk or in coloured water. Hence this is when they feed best. Indeed, perch rely so much on their vision rather than their other senses that it's extremely rare for them to hunt after dark the ripper says !!!
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chavender |
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hey bruce ,that first bit is mine Ha Ha
steve
I try to be funny... but sometimes I merely look it
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chavender |
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I too was wondering such things a few years ago and searched the internet top too bottom for the info ,there are some contradictory research data out there
,probably because different species from around the world have slightly different visual capabilities.... fishes binocular (long sightedness) only has a small
area of vision (area of overlap between both monocular edges of vision which gives a pseudo 3D visual effect (overlayed stereophonic vision) but a lot depends
on water clarity ,some fish have polarised irises (eyes lens) to help filter the light ,
Their side vision monocular (short sightedness) starts some-ware around there petrel area and extends right over their heads .which combined with their forward vision gives them pretty good all around vision. When they're looking out sideways,they see very good at a 25-80 deg angle ,so see a great deal of bank-side movement ,(the higher the bank from the waters surface the narrower the angle of vision will be) but not in colour but b/w which is very good for movement but everything is in shades of gray so the only advantage to camo gear is the fact its mostly drab colours (a lot of mid grays) .
steve
I try to be funny... but sometimes I merely look it
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beastmaster 4 |
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hi folks , some great stuff there THANKS !!! darren
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E1JGENE |
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Great question & great responses, just a shame I can't give you all a Kudo!
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BANDIT original.barbelfishingworld |
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How many times do I have to tell you??.. lol... use BLACK!! particularly meat and sweetcorn ;)
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matchman1.barbelfishingworld |
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Posts: 231 5-Mar-2008 15:21 " Bandit " |
Only teasing Darren.. didnt mean to come across a bit stroppy there...lol... ;) ya know me!
Anyway.. to add to the subject... BLACK HOOKLENGTHS and MAINLINE are best!! IMO How many of you know of a black mainline? I will post a new thread on this one soon.. |
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izzak |
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Most lures have some red supposedly to act as a striking point. However Red line is becoming the latest fashion as its the first colour to disappear as the
depth increases.
Seems to me a contradiction? I have a number of lures of the same pattern but in different colours. So why do pike prefer one colour over the others? I can only assume that the colour is important. As to fish being camouflaged they are. Take the silver fish its the silver that actually reflects the surroundings. Dark back so when viewed from above they blend into the bottom. Viewed from below the white belly blends with the sky. |
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01Karen10 |
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Interesting stuff coming out on here now
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According to an article published by Mepps ® fish do not have an innate desire for any particular color. However, some colors under various water and light
conditions are more easily seen, which makes color a critical factor for some fish. Migrating fish like Shad or Salmon have eye receptors readily adapted to
see green in the ocean and red during spawning, but will strike spinners and lures of any color if they can be seen. So color can and often is a prime
mechanism for determining how spinners and lures will contrast with their background. In other words, color can make spinners and lures easily seen, or can
camouflage the same spinners and lures making them invisible to fish. Glo-Wings tm in the dark. Click on images to go to FishTackler® Which strike zone would
you rather be fishing in? Another function of color on any spinner or lure is to give degrees of brightness. As a fishes metabolism changes with water
temperature, spinner and lure brightness becomes critical in attracting fish. Bright lures for cold sluggish fish and toned down lures for fully active fish.
During a recent research project, observations gave credence to the idea that brightness may be just as important or maybe more so than color. Projecting a red
laser into several tropical fish tanks, we found the aggressive fish like the sharks immediately attacked the laser dot trying to eat it. Slower fish, such as
angle fish, showed luke warm interest and also tried to eat the dot but were not as aggressive and their efforts were not as sustained as was the sharks
aggressive behavior. Switching colors and projecting a green laser onto the bottom of several tanks, the results were exactly the same. All of the fish made
some effort to eat the red and green dots and there was no observable preference for one color over the other. Preliminary conclusion is that visibility is
vital regardless of color. It is probably much like moving a laser dot or like pulling a string across the floor in front of a playful cat. The cat does not
care if it smells or tastes like a mouse. It is visible and it moves! And that is all it takes to trigger a response in a cat or a fish. Using the same
experiment on native Salmon Fry in a natural setting gave exactly the same results. These fish had never seen a laser dot before and certainly nothing as
brilliantly bright as the red and green laser colors. Yet because they could see it, it was the right size and it moved they went after it. From the foregoing
experiment it would appear that visibility and movement trigger a reaction in fish. Unfamiliarity didn't seem to deter their curiosity in the least. As a
fish gets closer to the target other senses presumably kick in such as smell or taste, vibration, and in some cases electrical sensory input. So here is your
rule of thumb. Present the fish you are going after with the right size lure, make sure it is visible against the ambient background colors and present the
right movement. You may also want to consider adding scent to your lure giving the fish one more reason to take it. The size of each spinner or lure is
critical. If you are serious about that big lunker, using a lure that looks like a good meal is important. If the lure is too small, it takes more energy to
catch it than it is worth. Many fishermen conclude that fish will eat a meal that is up to half its length, and no smaller than one eighth its length. So if
you are after a 40 inch fish, using a lure that is no bigger than 20 inches, and no smaller 5 inches is a good rule of thumb. Many fish do have the ability to
see color. Those that do see color have cones in their eyes. Cones are needed for color perception and at least two cones that are sensitive to two different
colors. People with normal sight have three types of cones. One that is sensitive to red, one to green and the other is sensitive to blue. The three kinds of
cones in our eyes and the number we have enables us to discern over 300,000 shades of color. What about fish? Is color important? Earlier, we concluded that
visibility is of prime importance. Color often is the critical factor in making a fishes meal visible. Here are some interesting facts about fish. Catfish have
no cones. They posses only rods, which gives them the ability to see bright light as white and the absence of light as black and everything in between as
varying shades of gray. Though blind to color catfish have amazing sight. On a moon less cloudy night they can see what we could only see under a crystal clear
sky and a full moon. Along with their extremely sensitive night vision Catfish have extraordinary taste/smell. So as most Cat fishers know, good stink bait and
a glowing light source next to the bait offers the best chance of landing that big Channel Cat. The color of the glowing bait enhancer is of little consequence
to the Catfish. However, color is still very important for increasing the strike zone even though the Catfish is colorblind. Some colors penetrate dark and
murky waters better than others. Catfish see shades very well and a yellow or florescent lure may show up better than a blue or brown lure. Remember that in
clear water blue and green light penetrate best and in turbid or muddy waters the warmer colors are better. Glowing bait enhancers do not depend on ambient
light for the fish to see it. Choosing the right glowing color will depend upon the water conditions stated above. Generally, a green glow enhancer creates the
largest strike zone. However, other glowing colors will be important in creating distinction and visibility against the ambient background. Because glowing
bait enhancers provide their own light, the importance of water conditions and available light is greatly diminished. Most predatory fish have cones that allow
them to distinguish colors. Some even have four to five different cones. Incredibly, this means they can see colors we cannot even imagine. Reasons for this
increased ability to see a whole new range of colors is still an issue for marine biologists and scientists. It may help identify food or it may have something
to do with mating. The jury is still out on this. We know that some fish see into the ultraviolet range, which is invisible to us. Again, what this invisible
light lets them see we don't know but here are some tantalizing clues. Now let's get down and personal. While fishing the Weber River in Utah, we saw
something intriguing. Fishing was slow so like all good fishermen, we began to experiment. Mepps spinners, that had been "hot as a firecracker" a few
weeks ago, weren't getting results. So we started digging around the bank for some bait. We found only small night crawlers and in a pool of water there
were some marine worms that looked for all intents and purposes like the small night crawlers. The coloring was nearly identical and the size the same.
Throwing a small night crawler into the pool brought small fish immediately. They came from all directions and attacked the crawler in a "free for all
feeding frenzy". Then tossing one of the marine worms into the water, nothing happened! None of the fish showed any interest in the marine worm even
though it wiggled and wriggled just like the night crawler. We threw in another night crawler and it was again attacked vigorously. We tried another marine
worm and not a single fish even turned in its direction. They totally ignored the marine worms. The smell couldn't be the triggering mechanism since the
attack on the night crawler came almost instantaneously from all directions including upstream. Smell could not have traveled that far, that fast, and
certainly not upstream. The attacks came faster than the smell could have dispersed in the water and the fish that were upstream from any smell responded just
as fast and in some cases faster than the downstream fish did. Venturing an opinion, we believe the fish were seeing two differently colored worms. To our eyes
they were the same color but because of increased cones in some fishes eyes, we believe the small trout saw colors they liked in the night crawlers and they
saw colors they didn't like in the marine worms. Another incident helps to support the idea that some fish see colors we can't see. While fishing a
small stream near Pony, Montana we witnessed something that many fishermen have seen. Creeping up to the bank of a small brook, a nice juicy night crawler was
sent drifting downstream into a nice hole and from our hiding place we watched an Eastern Brooke Trout dart out, grab the lead sinker and run with it. It was
as good a strike as any except the fish had the sinker instead of the night crawler. This has happened over and over again and in our experiences we have seen
it many times. Even in salt water here in Washington's Puget Sound. We tried silver colored lures but in many cases they still preferred the oxidized
sinkers. There seems to be something about the color of oxidized lead that many types of fish seem to like. Could the fish be seeing the oxidized lead as a
brilliant, vibrant color that we are unable to see? If so it baits the question: are there natural baits that is mimicked by the color of lead sinkers? Here is
a chance for some enterprising inventor to create a pigment that attracts fish like the oxidized lead, but hopefully not lead. In conclusion, color does make a
difference even if the fish are not fussy about the color of their food or are color-blind. Visibility is the key. Keep in mind though, that all fish are
color-blind at night because the color cones retract and the rods extend for more acute black and white night vision, making a glowing bait enhancer important
for increasing the strike zone. Good luck and keep the inside of your waders dry!
the ripper says !!!
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As long as they take the bait I'm not really worried what colour they prefer.
Joking a side, I feel I have had more sucess on darker coloured baits. Roo
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tiddler07 |
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God my head is buzzing after this
You have one life live it to the full.....go fishing |
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matchman1.barbelfishingworld |
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Posts: 231 19-Mar-2008 13:47 " Bandit " |
BLACK. ;)
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breamking |
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seasonal dependant ? as last week reds were not working ,but bright yellow sweetcorn was taking fish ,one of the lads tried black corn for two hours ,and
nothing ,then after switching to yellow corn he caught fish , or is that just the pulling power of sweetcorn ?
TO HOT TO HANDLE ,,BUT COLDER THAN ICE,
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chavender |
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maybe not seasonal ,but fish just go off a colour ,probably been caught too many times on red so avoid it ,then when they become wary of yellow they'll
swich back to reds. Or just maybe......it is seasonal ........! !
they probably associate the maggots as larvae / grubs of verious aquatic creatures ! ! ,and know at this time of year / season its not the reds ones turn to be hatching / emerging ie mature mayfly larvae are a yellowy colour | ||||